Since Klopp came to Liverpool, the only game worse than this one -- from an xG perspective -- was the City match in 2017 when Mane got red-carded at the beginning of the match. This was worse. Eesh. If you're gonna lose, I guess, you might as well REALLY LOSE. Anyway, I had a lot of fun today despite, uh, you know. Thanks all for joining in and for reading. We'll do it again soon!
Liverpool have never created a lower amount of expected goals than the .20 from this match in any premier league match going through Understat's database that starts from 2014/15. This isn't just a loss, it's a complete collapse by an otherwise historic side. Even in that city match with the red card they created more xg than this. Thank you once again, Ryan this is great. Please release the Troy Story 3 Emergency Pod soon. Have a great weekend despite this please!
Gonna wrap up in a few -- just looking up a stat for you guys. Is this proof that I should A) never do another chat, or B) literally do a chat for every game for every team for the rest of the season?
Easily their poorest performance under Klopp. But then, something *had* to be as it’s football and this shit happens. Luckily they’ve still the points cushion but this is a good wake up call. trying to look for positives
I feel like we all need to take a moment to appreciate this sentiment: Divock Origi, Adam Lallana, and Dejan Lovren have 25 minutes to salvage the longest winning streak in Premier League history.
have been a liverpool fan for more than 12 years. that last game to clinch the title (assuming coronavirus doesn’t ruin the season) will probably be a nirvana-like experience for me. but in the meantime i’m including liverpool games in parlay bets just to make them a little bit more tense for me 😂
The funny -- I'm not mad, I'm honestly just laughing -- part of this is that the result matters WAY MORE Watford. Hell of a run for LFC, though. Best game anyone has played against them in years. No undefeated season, but the points record -- which, after all, is THE point of the game -- is still attainable and probably likely.
In a way maybe this is good for them. Shows they’re mortal or something and can be got at on any given day. I think this means we see a sharp focused Liverpool in the Atleti second leg
OK! One theory I do have which is not being unproven by this match: Liverpool struggle against teams with athletic, rangy midfielders. See: Napoli, Atletico, Watford.
I think it's time for Liverpool fans to take a deeeeeeep breath. No team plays well every game. They throttled West Ham, and Atletico-on-the-road-in-the-CL is about as tough as it gets.
Yikes. This is awful -- both for Deulofeu and for Watford's chances to stay up. He's the best attacker on the team: first in xG+xA per 90 among consistent starters.
I dunno if you were ever on the field for something like this in college but even at that level when something like that happened it was hard to get your head back in the game. Wonder what it's like for pros.
Once had an ambulance come onto the field AND then our opponents scored on the free kick from the foul that led to the injury. And we still won. So who knows.
Maybe they're winning so much they're treating this match where the main goal is like a madden objective, break the completion percentage record with a minimum of 20 pass attempts. Only in this case it might be score on every shot you take (minimum 3 goals).
this is like the team where the coach made you run a 400 for every shot you took outside the box in a scrimmage. Frankly, that wouldn't surprise me if Klopp did something like that.
I think it depends on how historic this Liverpool season ends up. Even though he's played a smaller part in this season than the past few, being part of a historic team may tip the scales. Otherwise I could see Leeds or Villa.
Is there a source for XG stats for players in the Championship (fbref doesn't have)? Rhian Brewster's goal return has been decent for Swansea but curious as to whether the goals match the underlying performance.
Liverpool have never created a lower amount of expected goals than the .20 from this match in any premier league match going through Understat's database that starts from 2014/15. This isn't just a loss, it's a complete collapse by an otherwise historic side.
This just shows how amazing their season has been. Many a game where they could’ve lost or drawn but their class won out in the end. Sure, the odd lucky bounce here and there too but then every title winning side gets those. To have their absurd points total just shouldn’t be possible.
Are we sure Atleti loss hasn’t gotten to the lads and Klopp? Seemingly untouchable until the 1-0 defeat. Only half kidding - they’ve lost that aura of invincibility and other sides will fancy having a go at them. Simeone is a proper GIT
It feels like Liverpool are a team super-dependent on being in rhythm. They've been sloppier and had less urgency starting games since the break. Didn't the draws down the stretch last season come after they trained abroad for a bit?
An industrial warehouse on the outskirts of Leeds, away from the public eye. After a grueling session, he takes penalties in the dark for 3 hours and finishes up by downing 3 raw egg yolks and a spirulina shake.
Let's hear your best overreaction theory for why Liverpool looked like shit in the first half. Two of mine:
1) Jordan Henderson is actually the best player in the league.
2) Dejan Lovren is actually the worst player in the league.
Jurgen Klopp is secretly a subscriber to NGITC and can't manage appropriately in the middle of a chat.
Definitely seems like Henderson is the key
Without James Milner's jawline, there's no one that strikes fear in the opponent.
Aye, Jordan is a proper footballer who leaves it all on the pitch. Sure he’s not the most cultured of footballers but he is indispensable to the side
Is there some discord brewing in the dressing room with Salah, Mane et al
And the winner of the Will Fuller award is (pause for effect) Jordan Henderson!
where's the overreaction?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YgaZ2bXM9U enough said
If anyone needs me to ruin a supposedly fun thing, let me know. I'll just schedule a chat during it.
Can you do the 2020 dem primaries?
Would love more comparisons on which football player fits which political policy
The Warriors 2020 season unfortunately
Is Kerr the NBA's Mourinho?
Not personality-wise but in terms of career arc Tom Thibodeau may be the best comp
Mourinho is David Fizdale
Take THAT for data!
Larry Brown, Porto was the Pistons
Since Klopp came to Liverpool, the only game worse than this one -- from an xG perspective -- was the City match in 2017 when Mane got red-carded at the beginning of the match. This was worse. Eesh. If you're gonna lose, I guess, you might as well REALLY LOSE. Anyway, I had a lot of fun today despite, uh, you know. Thanks all for joining in and for reading. We'll do it again soon!
Liverpool have never created a lower amount of expected goals than the .20 from this match in any premier league match going through Understat's database that starts from 2014/15. This isn't just a loss, it's a complete collapse by an otherwise historic side. Even in that city match with the red card they created more xg than this. Thank you once again, Ryan this is great. Please release the Troy Story 3 Emergency Pod soon. Have a great weekend despite this please!
Thanks, Ryan! Please write about why Lovren still gets to start games in the newsletter.
Cheers Ryan
Gonna wrap up in a few -- just looking up a stat for you guys. Is this proof that I should A) never do another chat, or B) literally do a chat for every game for every team for the rest of the season?
Every game for every team but being cautious before throwing win streak stats up there
The latter
This is pretty wild. Can't remember Liverpool playing this poorly (without a red card) since Klopp came to town. https://understat.com/match/11921
Easily their poorest performance under Klopp. But then, something *had* to be as it’s football and this shit happens. Luckily they’ve still the points cushion but this is a good wake up call. trying to look for positives
my goodness this is brutal
I feel like we all need to take a moment to appreciate this sentiment: Divock Origi, Adam Lallana, and Dejan Lovren have 25 minutes to salvage the longest winning streak in Premier League history.
Divock isn’t bad, and Lallana has the odd moment every 7 matches but Lovren is putrid
I feel like Origi shouldn't be in that group!
I hope your health is not compromised, because you will need great strength to watch these 25 minutes
Hey guys! Liverpool are -220 to break the PL win-streak record.
Feels like playing with fire to put this out there right before the match
I wrote an article in December for ESPN-dot-com about how LFC had already won the league. Fire has already been played with.
tell the truth how much is Michael Caley paying you for the jinx
Just wanna share that I was at West Ham-Liverpool for my first Anfield match ever!
Sarr and Deeney are going to be the inaugural entries to the Premier League's Hall of Fame by a majority vote from every other club.
have been a liverpool fan for more than 12 years. that last game to clinch the title (assuming coronavirus doesn’t ruin the season) will probably be a nirvana-like experience for me. but in the meantime i’m including liverpool games in parlay bets just to make them a little bit more tense for me 😂
The funny -- I'm not mad, I'm honestly just laughing -- part of this is that the result matters WAY MORE Watford. Hell of a run for LFC, though. Best game anyone has played against them in years. No undefeated season, but the points record -- which, after all, is THE point of the game -- is still attainable and probably likely.
In a way maybe this is good for them. Shows they’re mortal or something and can be got at on any given day. I think this means we see a sharp focused Liverpool in the Atleti second leg
Don't forget the title
I'm still not convinced Liverpool won't come back ...
Watford's win probability is still below 99 percent. There's a chance!
This has a real Golden State 2016 best team but injured and Dray suspended vibe to it. Only difference is Sarr and Deeney are the Kyrie and Bron duo
My brain has been broken by the Internet, but I'm dreading the inevitable "Is something wrong with Liverpool?" articles that are on the way.
Are we sure Liverpool is good?
The writers have been waiting to hit publish for months
Premier league is having a down year
Sarr was pretty good in the first game between these two, btw: https://understat.com/match/11808
Gotta be rough for Arsenal fans. I'm not sure that Sarr isn't better than Pepe.
Oh I'd guess arsenal fans are riding rather high at this exact moment
Lovren starting and Lallana first man off the bench -- it's amazing this team hasn't lost in over a year.
Lallana peaked in a meaningless exhibition game in bloody Foxboro against some shit MLS side in a friendly some 5 years ago
Liverpool have not bought well.
Do you take full responsibility for playing with fire to create this loss?
I am typing this without eyebrows.
[Klopp furiously trying to sub in Alberto Moreno only to realize he's no longer on the team]
Welp, payback for when Sarr completely whiffed on a 7-outta-10 chance in the first match!
OK! One theory I do have which is not being unproven by this match: Liverpool struggle against teams with athletic, rangy midfielders. See: Napoli, Atletico, Watford.
Pogba is shite
was Ndidi there for the LCFC game though
I agree, basically, i think it requires a double pivot that don't advance past midfield-see the Man U game
It seems like Lovren has moved ahead of Matip on the LFC depth chart. Very weird, imo.
IS ARLO WHITE READING THIS CHAT? SHOW YOURSELF ARLO
Matip is about to be bought by Barcelona from Leganes that's definitely got to be the reason
I think it's time for Liverpool fans to take a deeeeeeep breath. No team plays well every game. They throttled West Ham, and Atletico-on-the-road-in-the-CL is about as tough as it gets.
Are you hyperventilating as you type this out? It's ok it's a safe space here
smfh I've been accused of being a Manchester City fan multiple times this season
They don't recognize your reverse jinxes that's why
Put Keita on, watch Liverpool all of a sudden take it up a gear
He's injured again :(
looking for the radar where he was like, the best midfielder in the world for when he's been healthy, and I'm not finding it.
Jesus.
He has 18 goals this year
Pathetic
Yikes. This is awful -- both for Deulofeu and for Watford's chances to stay up. He's the best attacker on the team: first in xG+xA per 90 among consistent starters.
Poor guy, that looked really unfortunate on a routine play, like the Jeremy Lamb injury.
I dunno if you were ever on the field for something like this in college but even at that level when something like that happened it was hard to get your head back in the game. Wonder what it's like for pros.
Once had an ambulance come onto the field AND then our opponents scored on the free kick from the foul that led to the injury. And we still won. So who knows.
if I had a nickel for every foul I took in college that probably should have ended my career but didn't even get whistled I'd have.... 25 cents.
Pretty sure MY KNEE popped watching that injury
#solidariknee
#wekneedeachother
more knee puns than Liverpool have had shots yeesh
Will Liverpool ever take a shot?
One shot in 40 mins... That a new record?
Maybe they're winning so much they're treating this match where the main goal is like a madden objective, break the completion percentage record with a minimum of 20 pass attempts. Only in this case it might be score on every shot you take (minimum 3 goals).
this is like the team where the coach made you run a 400 for every shot you took outside the box in a scrimmage. Frankly, that wouldn't surprise me if Klopp did something like that.
Please do an Emergency Pod with Jack
smfh he just texted me
This is karma for what he did to me last time
Name it Troy Story 3
Is Watford better than Bayern??!
If Milner somehow made the Hall of Fame through the soccer equivalent of counting stats, what jersey would he wear?
This is the good stuff right here. Leeds, Newcastle, Villa, City, or Liverpool? So many options. I'm recency-biased, but I think he'd go in with LFC.
I think he'd be Leeds by choice. Rumor is he wants to head back there. Milner under Bielsa would be WONDERFUL
I think it depends on how historic this Liverpool season ends up. Even though he's played a smaller part in this season than the past few, being part of a historic team may tip the scales. Otherwise I could see Leeds or Villa.
Prediction: Origi comes off the bench to score the winner
What do you think Elton John's preferred formation is? And could he coach Watford out of the relegation zone?
four fucking four fucking two
Is there a source for XG stats for players in the Championship (fbref doesn't have)? Rhian Brewster's goal return has been decent for Swansea but curious as to whether the goals match the underlying performance.
Nothing publicly available that I know of, unfortunately. But I can tell you that he's less than one goal ahead of his xG.
Liverpool have never created a lower amount of expected goals than the .20 from this match in any premier league match going through Understat's database that starts from 2014/15. This isn't just a loss, it's a complete collapse by an otherwise historic side.
Fuck United
This.
This just shows how amazing their season has been. Many a game where they could’ve lost or drawn but their class won out in the end. Sure, the odd lucky bounce here and there too but then every title winning side gets those. To have their absurd points total just shouldn’t be possible.
Anyone catch the All or Nothing series on amazon on the Seleçao? Ederson seems a proper tit
Bloody love the coach Tite though
If you took Watford to not only win but win by 3-0 scoreline pretty sure the payout was like +15,000
Markets gave 'em a 14-percent chance of winning: http://www.gambletron2000.com/premier-league/52778/watford-vs-liverpool
Ugh fuck me
Are we sure Atleti loss hasn’t gotten to the lads and Klopp? Seemingly untouchable until the 1-0 defeat. Only half kidding - they’ve lost that aura of invincibility and other sides will fancy having a go at them. Simeone is a proper GIT
Aye, no class that Simeone. A proper wind up merchant who plays to disrupt other sides
Bloody hell. Klopp out
Manager swap: Pearson for Klopp, who says "no"?
Lovren says no. Pearson wouldn't play him
Adam seconds that veto
I’ve lost me months wages on this match
Minamino to the rescue!
Bloody hell I Lost 300 quid on this shower of shite
We outchea doe
Somehow 2-0 still wouldn't be enough for Watford to escape the relegation zone.
And on que my goodness
Well Watford has now gotten what they need out of this match. Is this the worst loss for Liverpool fans in the last 20 years?
The slip comes to mind...
They need one...but they’re playing like absolute ass
*three
four
LOL
Lovren is so fucking bad
Time for Netherlands Wijnaldum to show up
#Kloppout
this is a good preview of the champions league match, at least
It feels like Liverpool are a team super-dependent on being in rhythm. They've been sloppier and had less urgency starting games since the break. Didn't the draws down the stretch last season come after they trained abroad for a bit?
This game just screams Origi 87th minute winner.
James Milner definitely runs around a lake for 2 hours a day
Where does James Milner keep his Peloton?
An industrial warehouse on the outskirts of Leeds, away from the public eye. After a grueling session, he takes penalties in the dark for 3 hours and finishes up by downing 3 raw egg yolks and a spirulina shake.
Outside in his front yard, to grow more accustomed to the weather conditions
Why doesn’t the premier league use a cart like American sports? Carrying someone off seems I don’t know. Risky?
Assume they don't wanna fuck up the grass (since, you know, the ball has to consistently roll along it, unlike the other sports).
Who would you give the Will Fuller award to on Liverpool?
Mo Salah.
shit that's his knee done
LFC looking so sloppy last few games. Makes me think Atleti got in their heads a bit